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dog training gone bad

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/dog-whisperer/3252/Overview#tab-Videos/05198_00

 

 

Many of you may be aware of a National Geographic television show featuring a charismatic individual who helps dog owners.  I recently came across this video on the website and I urge you to watch it (preferably without the sound so as not to be distracted by his talking) and keep your eye on the dog.  Here is what you will see:

 

Within the first 5 seconds, the handler kicks the dog in the abdomen.  When the dog turns toward him he is jerked off his feet.  A struggle ensues where the handler gets bitten several times and the dog is seen to be struggling for air. Finally he gets the dog onto the ground and the dogs tongue is blue and the dog is gasping for breath.  When he finally gets the dog up it appears that there might be urine on the ground and that the dog voided his bladder in distress.

 

What you have witnessed is not dog training but abuse.  Not only does the dog suffer, but clients are at risk if they attempt these interventions themselves.  These are not appropriate measures and compromise the welfare of the dog and the safety of people.  His explanations are false and not based on science as we know it. We as veterinarians must make our voices heard and let National Geographic and most importantly our clients know that these types of interventions are wrong and not in the best interest of dogs or people. 

 

As a veterinary behaviorist I have dealt with behavior problems in companion animals for over 25 years and would never confront a dog this way.  Not only would it be dangerous for me and the family, it would be harmful for the dog. My goal is diagnose the problem, and design humane treatment plans that help the family change the behavior of their dog so that they can safely live together. I hope all veterinarians can agree that this is the best approach.

 

I would love to hear your thoughts. Most importantly, go to the link and scroll down the page to “contact us” and click on that. Let National Geographic know what you think.

 

Thank you for your time

 

 

Debra F. Horwitz, DVM, DACVB

Comments




  • There is no doubt that Cesar Millan treatment is deeply abusive and wrong, there is no basis for his theories (maybe for more than 25 years ago) and he is apparently not able to make a correct "diagnosis"


    I've just been reading a book from 1948, dealing with traning of police dogs, this traning, so many years ago is not as abusive and harsh as Cesars "Treatment" - and NO aggressive dog do NOT call upon more harsh methods.

    I have never read or been taught that kick, stroke, suffocation and electric shocks should be general treatment in dogs or other animals for that matter.
    The warning in the show is to be taken very seriously, maybe they should refrase it - "do not use these techniques to all"


    It could be interesting to know why so many people have taken his methods in, why do an aggressive, abuse and harsh method appeal  to people, that is interesting, and yet scary. When people sees a dog being abused on TV the normal reaction should be repulsion, (like when you se a dog being skinned alive in China) but many people is attracted, why is that?


     

    LeoSkibbildJepsen, 6 days ago | Flag
  • As a vegan, I fully agree that the only good or correct ways to train animals is to do so without harming them.  That said, I do not agree that Cesar Milan's methods are harmful.  First of all, this video is not representative of Cesar's methods in general. While perhaps it does demonstrate he is capable of mistakenly underestimating how the dog would respond, anyone experienced with dog training, professional or otherwise, can certainly identify with this mistake.  But this is not what you're accusing him of.  Even if this were a completely representative example, it is not the damning evidence of abuse you make it to be...


    You say he kicked the dog in the abdomen.  That is a blatant exaggeration.  He made contact with the dog using his foot, but did not do so with any real force, and more importantly, did not do so in a way that would hurt the dog.  Something else that anyone who has trained dogs should know is that physical stimuli is often necessary to get the dog's attention or to break it's focus, etc.  But that does not equate it to harming the animal.  Moving on, the dog is gasping but this is just as likely to be due to exertion (which is apparent on the video) as it is because it was actually being "choked" (which is not apparent on the video). Also, the ground is wet all over, making it rather difficult to say it was due to the dog urinating.  And if you see the clip in context, you'll see that the dog is in an aroused state (has an erection), which Cesar points out, making it not impossible for it to have urinated, but less likely, and also making it less likely (though not impossible) that the dog was in a severely agitated state. 


    What I would really like to know is how it is that his explanations are, as you say, "not based on science as we know it" especially contrasted with how the methods you advocate are. 


     


    And in response to the comment below mine by LynneBlack, dogs are very different than humans and have vastly differing requirements, so your analogy is utterly meaningless.  If a dog were filled with hatred but obedient out of fear (the way you imply they are, as would children raised using Cesar's methods for dogs), the issues manifest in visible ways.  Just like they would in human children.  That is, long before Junior gets the shotgun, it would be apparent in many other ways that damage had been done.  But instead we find that the dogs Cesar works with remain healthy and well adjusted, unless their owners are all lying because for some reason they don't want Cesar to look bad.  In a nutshell, your comment is ridiculous.

    veovis, 1 month ago | Flag
  • To anyone who thinks Cesar Milan is great, I suggest that you try his methods on your kids, put them on a treadmill for an hour, choke them out so that they are semi-consicous and I bet they will do their homework and eat their broccoli without a complaint.  The problem is that when they are 16 and find out where you hide the shotgun you might end up dead.  

    LynneBlack, 2 months ago | Flag
  • Dr H.,


    With all due respect, I think you're misinterpreting the video.  I'm not a dog trainer, and I'll admit that I've watched more than a few of Millan's shows.  Sure he's an entertainer, but he seems to care about Dogs and to help a number with serious behavioral problems, often intervening when an owner has been advised to put down a troubled pet.  My guess is that was the case with the husky type in the video, or that the owners would have to choose between that dog and the quieter black dog being lead by the woman in the clip.


    After watching the longer version on Comcast twice, muted first as you recommended, then with sound, I've got a couple of observations:


    The ground is wet in that clip, and you see patches of water here and there on the pavement.  It is very unclear if the Dog voided its bladder. 


    Yes, Cesar hits/taps the dog in its back haunches with his foot, something he does to distract an animal when it begins to fixate on another animal or person.  This is a regular technique he uses with aggressive dogs, and it seems to be for distraction, not actually hurting the animal. 


    Cesar does have the dog collared high on its neck, an unusual placement for him.  But the dog seems to be fighting for the leash, when he's not trying to get a little Cesar snack (sorry, couldn't help it). 


    Clearly you feel that hitting/tapping a dog with one's foot is not the best method.  Given the situation of the malamute/husky beginning to go into attack mode against the smaller dog, what's your first action?  Or based on the rest of the 1 or so minutes of video shown of these dogs and their family, what would you have done differently?


    For that matter, how do you view the majority of the other cases of his that you've watched?  I'm not trying to denigrate your concerns, but am trying to put them into context and to understand whether this particular case is an aberration or an extreme situation. 


     

    timburg61, 2 months ago | Flag
  • I found another link to the video


     


    It appears that the National Geographic site moved or removed the video clip. Here is a longer (3:25) clip of that episode from Comcast:
    "Shadow, Jake & Riley and Norton"

    Dr_Deb, 2 months ago | Flag
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